Bibi was Eliminated from the Scene because she had her Own Vision and Ideology for Pakistan

Senator Syed Iqbal Haider (Late)

It is the last exclusive interview of Senator Syed Iqbal Haider. It was recorded a month before his death. He was senior advocate of Supreme Court of Pakistan, former senator, Attorney General of Pakistan, law minister and human rights minister in the cabinet of Ms. Benazir Bhutto and secretary-general of Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.

Jahangir’s World Times (JWT): Why did you leave Pakistan People’s Party?
Syed Iqbal Haider: Ms. Benazir Bhutto gave me enormous honour. She appointed me on different positions and she always assigned me significant responsibilities because she had confidence in me. In fact, it was her sad demise which apparently was the main reason of my quitting politics. The reason to leave me PPP was not that I had other options, instead the present ruling party and the rulers are not according to my nature, therefore, I left politics and the party too. Currently, I am working with Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. My aim is to make Pakistan a tolerant and secular society as well to work for normalisation of Indo-Pak relations. Here, I would like to clarify that secularism does not mean a non-religious society; in fact, secularism allows everyone to practise his religion freely. Quaid-e-Azam expressed his views categorically in his August 11, 1947 address that Pakistan would not be a theocratic state and the religion would be a personal affair of individuals; the state would have nothing to do with the religion. But alas! we ignored Quaid’s views and now it’s a different Pakistan. Today, it’s not only the minorities, even Muslims go to the mosques and imambargahs under the shade of guns; it is a great tragedy. It’s so sad and regrettable that Muslims are being murdered by the Muslims in the name of Islam. We fought four wars with India but number of our soldiers martyred in the wars is far less than the number of martyrs in the war with Taliban.  Pakistan army lost about 9,000 soldiers including one lieutenant general, one major general and four or five brigadiers. Furthermore, they also destroyed our schools and killed about 80,000 people. Unfortunately today, Taliban are challenging the writ of Pakistan. They want to take whole Pakistan under their control to establish the rule of their own choice. The credit for the whole disaster goes to Gen. Zia-ul-Haq and Gen. Pervaiz Musharraf, for their wrong policies which ignited the hell out of that.

JWT: Karachi is not only the biggest city but also a big source of revenue for Pakistan, what is the cause of this state of anarchy in the city?

 My aim is to make Pakistan a tolerant and secular society as well to work for normalisation of Indo-Pak relations. Here, I would like to clarify that secularism does not mean a non-religious society; in fact, secularism allows everyone to practise his religion freely.
 SIH: Karachi is under fire since 1985. Actually, it started after the death of Bushra Ziadi, a young college student. It was April 1985 when Bushra Zaidi, a student of Sir Syed College was killed by a minibus at Churangi No.1 of Nazimabad. The minibus was driven by a Pathan. Either it was an accident or a deliberate act but it had changed the scenario of Karachi which still continues. Soon after that, a bus of Dow Medical College students went to the Pathan area, they were chanting slogans like, ‘Runaway, Mohajirs are coming to kill you’. In retaliation, a van went to the Mohajir area and they were also shouting ‘Runaway Mohajirs we are coming to kill you’. I attended the proceedings of Judicial Commission set up for the ‘Bushra Zaidi Case’. I myself heard the witnesses. So, this is how Pakistani secret agencies started war between Pathans and Mohajirs. Gen. Zia-ul-Haq is the one who did all that. God will never forgive him for his bad deeds. For your readers I want to tell that during Zia’s reign Sohrab Goath, Ali Garh Colony, and Hyderabad were witnessing severe riots, even the election of 1988 was held under curfew. I myself contested election of 1988 during curfew. Army was deployed everywhere but riots were also going on. On the polling day, my tent was set ablaze, opponents were in the polling booth busy in rigging the election. I spoke to a colonel to go inside and stop the rigging, but, he replied that he was not allowed to go inside the polling booth. Then in 1997 elections, same thing happened, ‘Sher (Lion)’ had won an overwhelming majority in Karachi. I happened to be the chief election organiser of PPP those days, I use to sign the election ticket of PPP candidates so, I called all the authorities including Election Commission but in vain.
Gen. Zia gave us kalashnikov culture, drug abuse, sectarian and ethnic violence and religious extremism. He and Gen. Pervaiz Musharraf made Pakistan a frontline state whenever Afghanistan is attacked by the foreign superpowers just to prolong their rule. They both destroyed our society, cultural values, religion, and economy and education system too. And what is happening today in Pakistan are the results as well as continuation of the policies of Gen. Pervaiz Musharaf because present rulers are not following the policies of Ms. Benazir Bhutto instead they are following the policies of Gen. Musharraf. That is why, Gen. Musharraf transferred power to them and Bibi was eliminated from the scene because everyone knows she had her own agenda, views, vision and ideology for Pakistan. She had zero tolerance for terrorism. I worked with Bibi and I am proud of it. I know her thoughts very well.
 On the polling day my tent was set ablaze, opponents were in the polling booth busy in rigging the election. I spoke to a colonel to go inside and stop the rigging, but, he replied that he was not allowed to go inside the polling booth.
 JWT: As you said earlier that you are focusing on the normalisation of relations with India and the peaceful co-existence. Right now we do not have good relations with any of our neighbours, then why did you only take the responsibility of Indo-Pak relations alone?

SIH: Well, we cannot afford any threat from our western and eastern border. Thank God relations with China and Iran are not as much deteriorated to expect any physical security threat. Our contention is that Pakistan is at war from within; Pakistan is at war with Afghanistan so, in such a situation Pakistan cannot afford a war with India. Is it not logical? Because at this time India is not indulging in any kind of aggression despite the fact Pakistan is more vulnerable right now. And why India should indulge in any kind of aggression, while due to our own stupid, imprudent and misconceived blunders Pakistan is being destroyed from within. Why one should waste her money, manpower, energy and bullets when we ourselves are enough to destroy Pakistan.

JWT: How do you see the Indian presence in Afghanistan?

SIH: This is another tragedy that Pakistan has suffered so much because of two wars of Afghanistan. On the contrary, Pakistan is utterly disliked by the people and government of Afghanistan. So, there might be anything wrong done by us. At one side, we destroy ourself for Afghanistan but even then the people of Afghanistan prefer India than us. It’s irony I must say. We gave refuge to two million Afghans even then we are unable to earn respect and confidence from the people of Afghanistan. Our country was more peaceful, liberal and tolerant before the first Afghan war; we were among the most civilised country. And let me tell you there was a commission of inquiry when Karachi was made a hostage by the terrorists in 1985, 1986 and 1987. So, the number of policemen in Karachi up to year 1982 was smaller than the number of policemen in New York, London, Mumbai and Kolkata. We were so peaceful and civilised and there was no concept of ‘Bhatta’ in Karachi. But, today even Dhaka is more peaceful than Karachi.

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